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Oct 08

Does Electric Shock Cure Bed Wetting?

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Does Electric Shock Cure Bed Wetting?

In my dream is a running stream that slips over and around smooth stones.

As it travels along it grows to river size  and picks up speed and crashes in to larger sharper rocks.

Large white caps appear as the water churns turbulently.

At this point, it’s course can not be altered as it heads for the sheer drop.

As the rushing river spills over the edge and cascades into the pool below…

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I awake and realize, I have wet the bed again!

This was a common recurrence during my pre-adolescence and, OK some of my adolescence.

I was a DEEP sleeper, like the ocean deep.  Whoops another water reference.

My parents did not know what to do about it or how to fix it.

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To make it worse, during my stint in second grade, I was afraid to go to the bathroom (Number 1) by myself.

I would sit in my chair and hold it until finally just wetting my pants right there in my wooden seat.

I remember standing on the side of the school building while my classmates would play at recess.

I was too embarrassed to join in with my wet pants.  No Billy Madison in my class to save me.

My teacher eventually had to send a note home to my parents.

I was removing the varnish from the chairs!

It might have been because of this fear, that my parents probably thought I was wetting the bed on purpose.

What a dilemma!

They tried all sorts of things that never worked.  I constantly peed in my bed.

I vividly remember my mom putting diapers on me before going to bed and I was not sleeping in a crib.

I remember watching a movie on TV, called “The Loneliest Runner”

The 13 year old John Curtis would run home after school everyday.

This was because his mother would hang his wet bed sheet out of his window.

He would have to get there and take it down before anyone from school would walk by his house.

He became so fast that eventually he became an Olympic marathon, gold medal winner.

I could relate to this story, but my parents didn’t do anything like that.

When I was about 4th or 5th grade, my parents paid for a machine that was the bed wetting cure.

It would condition me to wake up when I had to pee.

It had a large wire mesh rectangle and a teal rubber mat that was attached under the mesh, to keep my bed from getting wet.

The wire mesh was attached to a large black box.

The box had a toggle switch, a red lamp that would illuminate and also an alarm that would sound when any liquid hit the mesh.

The idea was to drink a bunch of Kool Aid.

Did I just say drink the Kool Aid?

Go to bed naked and wet the bed.

Cue Niagara Falls!

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One drop of liquid and the crazy, loud annoying buzzer would go off with the red lamp staring at me saying,

“GO TO THE BATHROOM! ” 

This only took a few times and my body was conditioned or retrained to wake up, BEFORE I wet the bed.

Cured!

Where does electric shock come into the story?

I told my wife about this childhood situation and I don’t think I gave her all the details, or I mumbled them out.

She would probably say the latter.

However, she came home one day to gain some clarity on the story because, one of her salon clients was unsure that my parents would actually use shock therapy on a child to control bed wetting.

She had it all wrong.

She thought my parents paid to have the pee shocked out me!

This was of course not the case since there was no shock involved.

It was just an alarm…..

Wait a minute!  “You tell your clients that I peed the bed?!?!”

What embarrassing childhood situations have been revealed about you?

 

  • I feel for you, David! My son (who will be 10 next week) went through a bed wetting stage a few years ago. My husband and I wouldn’t get mad at him, it wasn’t his fault and I figured that would just make things worse. He was in pull-ups for a season when we had to go a trips away from home. He hated it yet…when you are in someone elses bed, what would be worse…secretly wearing a pull up (just in case) or wetting the bed.

    Well, to stay on the water theme. When I was a child I used to love to swim but apparently I didn’t like to be wet. When I would get out of the pool I would just take my swimsuit off. My parents had to explain to me several times that I couldn’t do that in public.

    • David Mike

      I am glad your son grew out of that stage, but I am more glad that you grew out of yours! That is hilarious!!

  • Darren Mike

    I remember that thing! We shared a room, remember? It woke me up too even though I was an even more sound sleeper than you! I remembered it shocking you though, so my memory is nowhere near as good as yours!

    • David Mike

      Yes, I remember that you used to fight yourself in your sleep. Maybe you were “alarmed” in your dreams….?

  • Alan Baierl

    I went through this with my oldest daughter who out grew it when she hit puberty and my youngest we tried everything and eventually tried a nose spray that is a hormone that the body releases to tell your brain that you have to use the restroom. it didn’t work we eventually found out that he was just scared of the dark and didnt want to go the restroom by himself at night. so a nightlight and limited amount of drink after dinner and that eliminated 90% of it. BTW the beginning of your post makes me want to go kayaking!

    • David Mike

      I never heard of the nose spray. I am glad you didn’t go kayaking in that river! It never ends well.

  • emilycarlton

    I too had the little alarm buzzer thing when I was a kid. I don’t remember being a bed-wetter as an older child- I think my parents just wanted to nip that problem in the bud.

    • David Mike

      Good thing to catch it in the early stages. However, this is probably why you never won an Olympic gold medal.

  • Daniel Mike

    Wow, I can’t believe they shocked you! Just kidding. I also had problems with bed wetting. Once, when I was in the 7th grade, I was on a youth group trip to see the movie Abyss. You know, the one where they go under the water to the deepest spot and find the aliens. Well, it was that movie theater in K-town where you can drink the bottles of coke and it had the table in front of you. I probably had 3-4 cokes. I was with my girlfriend at the time. On the bus ride home I had to pee so bad!!!! I ran to the front of the bus, asked Ivory Baker to pull over so I could pee. He said for me to hold it. I said I couldn’t. As it started running down my leg, the bus driver pulled over. By that time it was too late. I ran out of the bus on the side of the Autobahn. I pretended to go pee. Looking back I could see everyone on the bus looking at me, wanting to know what what going on. When I got back to the bus I sat in the front. I was so embarressed. My girlfriend didn’t know what was wrong and I don’t think we ever dated again. I also remember waking up one night, climbing down from the bunk bed, and half asleep, I peed on the floor. haha.

    • David Mike

      I had not heard this story. If you hadn’t peed your pants, you probably would have married that girl and not met your wonderful wife now! Tristan owes everything to this moment.

  • Wow. I had never heard of this type of machine… Not sure what childhood embarrassments there are of me online. I know there’s a picture of me in a dress somewhere from a talent show joke I did in high school….

    • David Mike

      When performing in a talent show, these things are considered “Art”. No one will judge if you decide to post that picture. Nudge…..

  • Becca

    Wow!! interesting story!

    • David Mike

      Thanks Becca, my life has not been boring.

  • aprilbest1981

    interesting…that sounds traumatic! I have friends who adopted three sisters and one of them is still wetting the bed at 9, they are at a loss…but the girls have been so abused in their past I think this might be too scary…

    it is funny when you tell it 🙂

    • David Mike

      I probably over dramatized the story for humor purposes. It is really effective. Just a conditioned response. I would be swimming every night if I had not used the machine. I am sure they have refined the process with modern technology.

  • Brittney Bennett

    I know someone who had the same problem! Also male. It is called the bell and pad method I think. He now, being a psychology teacher, teaches about classical conditioning and why this method is so effective. Little do his students know, he is living proof. Irony!

    • David Mike

      It totally works. Glad to be a dry bed alumni!

  • Todd

    Good day to you all. I am a father now. I did not want to have children because I was a bedwetter from the time I was born until I was 14. I saw this post here as I am trying to find pictures of the original “Moses Detector” which was used on me when I was aged 7. For six months my parents had me wear a device which looked like a male athletic supporter cup with metal wires in a grid pattern inside which went against the skin of my genitals. It was hooked up to a device that when I passed water, would initiate a “low voltage but high amperage” shock which was supposed to “cure” me of my bedwetting. The shock was administered until the the cup was unplugged either from the electric control box or from the wall outlet. Please let me say that the “low voltage but high amperage” shock was sufficient to leave me screaming in pain every night as my genitals were electrocuted. I remember getting tangled up in the cords a few times such that I could not pull the cup off my genitals.nor could I unplug the device because my hands were bound to my sides from near convulsions and sheer pain. The electric shock continued to be administered until someone unplugged it. 12 volts is considered low voltage, but even a car battery at 12 volts can be used as a torture device and can also kill. This happened many years ago, I thought I had gotten over it. At the time I had believed my parents when they told me this was for my own good and they loved me, but I need to try this option to help me get over my bed wetting enuresis. It lasted for 6 months before my parents decided it was not working and ceased the “treatment.” Now at age 46, I am experiencing uncontrollable flashbacks of some of those nights. I also flinch when certain words are said. I can only ask that you seriously consider what you plan on doing before you actually are doing it. I read this post above and I guess if you hear a loud noise it could “shock” you. I am glad this has worked for some people. I read this article thinking it was the same shock I received as I am hoping to find the maker of the Moses Detector to tell them what I think of their product.

    • David Mike

      I am sorry you went through such a terrible experience. I would think this type of torture is no longer available in the open market. The type of machine I had only sounded an alarm and so I was conditioned to wake up. I assure you I never felt any pain or sensation from the mesh I slept on. A sales person came to our house and explained the benefits and features, assuring my parents and myself that it was safe. I wish you had experienced the same method because I suffered no ill effects or was ever in any danger. I hope you find this company if it is still in existence.

    • Melvan Buckweat

      I have the information you seek

      just have to figer out how send it

    • Serena73

      Hi Todd!

      I don’t know if you are still using this site or not (since your comment is 2yrs. old now) but, in my search just today, oddly enough, for info on The Moses Detector, I happened across this post and checked it out for the same reasons as you and then, saw your comment. I guess they made a male and female version of this .. which as a young girl, I never really thought about. Like you, my parents turned to this device as a means to get me to stop bed wetting. It was horrible and painful and it’s true … when that thing went off, you couldn’t get it off of your body fast enough. You’d go into a panic mode almost because the continuous zapping against my abdomen was so awful and I think but, I am not sure 100%, that the plastic part with the staples also emitted an unpleasant slight “shock or zapping or pulsing” of sorts but, that could just be in my head and poor memory. My device was obviously a bit different in its structure … For girls, it was like wearing a jock strap, I suppose but, in place of the cup was just a plastic strip covered in staples that you would slide a folded up & stapled piece of paper towel onto. The waist band had 2 round metal devices that transmitted the shock frequencies which would get stronger until you awoke. I hated it. It was painful and very unpleasant and did not fix my problem in the least. Sometimes, I would be so desperate, I’d pull the band away from my skin, accidentally touch the device with my thumb in my sleepy state and then pull my hand away quickly from the shock only to be shocked on my abdomen again. So, I eventually started to tuck my pyjamas into the waist band so that the shocks would be dulled. How someone could come up with such an awful device is beyond me. How a parent could think that this was okay to use on their child is just mind boggling. My parents did it because they didn’t know what else to do. I vaguely recall hating them for making me wear it. Like you, I can’t seem to find it when searching … I was curious to know if anything was ever written about it further or documented or anything. I think I was around 12 or 13 yrs. old when this was used. We are not too far apart in age … If it stopped me from wetting, I’m pretty sure it was only a temporary fix because I recall still struggling with this problem for at least another year give or take. .

      • Todd

        Thank you for sharing Serena. Unfortunately, I do have to agree with you. I have decided not to go fully public with this until after my father has left this earth by natural means, and I hope that is not for quite sometime. My mother was a very controlling person and she left his earth sometime ago. But I do appreciate you coming forth as well. I felt quite alone but was pretty certain there were others who suffered as you and I both did. I wish you peace with yourself and hope you are able to remember it, but try not to let it affect your daily life. Take care.

        • Serena73

          You’re not the only one who wondered if there was anyone else who experienced this method of “training”. I have not thought about it much and actually thought about it yesterday when I noticed that my dog would leak without a diaper in her sleep but miraculously stay dry if she wore the diaper, haha .. I thought to myself, “it’s like a Moses Detector minus the pain”. That brought the memories back full tilt and thinking about it, I realize now that a recent health diagnosis was very likely part of why I struggled with the challenge of keeping a dry bed. With that said, I guess it’s just now one of those things that I also realize I might still have some work to do in the “coming to terms” department. My parents missed the boat with this one and probably just chalked it up to the fact that my grandfather was a bedwetter till his early teens too. I’m sorry for the loss of your mom and I hope that you have been able to maintain a good relationship with your Dad despite the scarring that this method has so obviously left on you. Were you able to find information about the Moses Detector? I pull up all sorts of bedwetting devices but nothing that shows old versions of it like the one we were subjected to. Like you, there are certain things that I have made a choice to not share with them at this stage in their lives. I don’t think it would help anyone and would in all probability destroy any relationship we do have. Enjoy being a father and find peace in knowing that you will do things much differently than what was done to you. 🙂

        • Serena73

          Todd, if you are still searching for the information about the Moses Detector … I just found it!! We probably found difficulty because we are spelling it wrong. It is actually spelled Mozes … I found the patent information and I believe the drawn up image of the device you likely wore as well as the drawn up device of what I wore (my childhood memory only recalled 2 big sensors on the belt but, apparently there were 4) … they were filed for patent within a couple of years of each other. This is where I found them .. http://www.google.ca/patents/US3530855 They are listed at the top of the patent filings list … Mozes Alexander filed 1970 US3678928 and Mozes A filed 1972 US3809078 I hope this helps you on your journey to gain better closure to your experience.

      • David Mike

        I’m sorry to hear this. I am glad that my parents only used an alarm method. Just a conditioned response to a noise activated by the urine. No shock was ever applied. My wife was confused and was teling her clients the opposite. I had no idea that what you experienced actually existed. The title of this post was just to get people to read it. It still is one of my most searched posts, so there must be many people that had a similar experience as you. In the age of modern technology, you would think there would be less barbaric methods of treatment available.

        • Serena73

          I don’t know how old you are but, maybe you got lucky because by the time you needed one, this awesome device was already off the shelves so to speak or your parents were more thoughtful about the effects that this device could have on their child. I’m sure there are many others who experienced what Todd and I had but, I am fairly certain it is not one that is talked about either. Who wants to share bedwetting stories so freely? hahaha .. .Except apparently, now. I’ve never told anyone except my partner and he had never heard of it either and was “shocked” (pun intended 🙂 If your title is still a “most searched” title, then you are probably either just piquing their curiosity (to learn about something or compare experiences of methods of training) or they think they’ve found someone who went through the same thing as they did. I am sure this no longer exists as an option for parents to use with their children (It was used about 30+ years ago and I don’t know how long it lasted as a safe or helpful method). Clearly, from what you’ve described as your experience, they’ve come a long way in that department. 🙂

          • David Mike

            I was born in 1969.

          • Serena73

            LOL … okay … you’re a bit older than me 🙂 I guess your parents were just more thoughtful than ours were! hahaha … You were very lucky.

      • Melvan Buckweat

        Hi Serena73
        I have first hand knowledge of the Mozes Detector. I had the Mozes Detector used on me for the first time at age 10 ~ 11 for 6 months, with limited success. Then at age 15 I was treated with a more powerful version of the Mozes Detector…
        I can tell you for certain you DID get shocks from the lower sensor when you first started to wet
        I would like to discuss this in a more private format. Try me at (eastfordmade at AOL . com)

  • Michelle Taylor Bonwell

    I myself didn’t wet the bed on a regular. Only when I had a fever, but my brother on the other hand… Well lets say this…. He became obsessed with urine, but that’s for a different day, my parents tried everything with him. Nothing worked, my brother who’s name is ironically mike, peed the bed as long as I can remember, until the day he stood up for himself, my mother forbid him from enlisting in the army, (he was between 11th and 12th grade) well he did it anyway, and BAM done with that…. Except for that one night in basic training…. And that’s for another day too

    • dilemmamike

      I’m just glad it worked for me, especially before I went to basic training!

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